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Brandonc01
i was looking at a 71 camaro ss and i was wondering how i can verify that its a real ss. like can i tell from the VIN # or metal badge under hood.
Answer
First, a basic overview of what a VIN is, and what youâre looking at. A VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) is a group of letters and numbers that create a specific VIN for each car. This is used to determine everything from what Make, Model, Body type, and even more.
Below is a great picture to show you what you are looking at with a VIN:
An example of a VIN from a 2001 Camaro: 2G1FP22G912108833
Looking at the numbers from the bolded VIN above, you can gather this information:
1st â Country 2 Canada
2nd â Manufacturer G General Motors
3rd â Make 1 Chevrolet
4th â Carline Code F F-Body
5th â Series P Camaro (All Models)
6th â Body Type 2 2-Door Hatchback Coupe
7th â Restraint Syst. 2 Manual seatbelts (Driver & Passenger Inflatable)
8th â Engine G LS1 5.7-Liter V8 346-cid Engine
9th â Check Digit 9 Your VINâs Check Digit: 9 Computed Check Digit: 9
10th â Year 1 2001
11th â Factory 2 Ste. Therese, Quebec, Canada
12th â 17th Seq. Prod # 108833 108833
Below are what different Numbers and Letters mean in various years
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1967 to 1971:
1st Digit: Manufacturer:
* 1 = Chevrolet
2nd Digit: Series:
* 2 = Camaro
3rd Digit: Engine:
* 3 = 6 cylinder
* 4 = V8
* 5 = 6 cylinder
* 6 = V8
4th and 5th Digits: Body Type:
* 37 = Sport Coupe
* 67 = Convertible
* 87 = Sport Coupe
6th Digit: Model Year:
* 7 = 1967
* 8 = 1968
* 9 = 1969
* 0 = 1970
* 1 = 1971
7th Digit: Assembly Plant:
* L = Van Nuys, California
* N = Norwood, Ohio
8th through 12th Digits: Sequential Production Number:
* starting-100001
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1972 to 1980:
1st digit: GM line number
* Chevrolet = 1.
2nd digit: Series number:
* Q = Sport Coupe
* S = Type LT (1973 â 78)
* S = Berlinetta (1979 â 80)
3rd and 4th digits: Body type:
* 87 = Sport Coupe.
5th digit: Engine Code:
* See specific year (Camaro info) for breakdown.
6th digit: Last digit of model year:
* 3 = 1973
* 4 = 1974 and so on
7th digit: Letter indicating assembly plant
* L = Van Nuys, California
* N = Norwood, Ohio
8th through 13th digits:
* Sequential production number starting with 100001.
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1981 to 1984:
1st digit: Country of origin
* 1 = USA
* 2 = Canada.
2nd digit:
* G = General Motors
3rd digit: Division:
* 1 = Chevrolet.
4th digit: Restraint system:
* A = Non-passive
* B = Automatic belts
* C = Inflatable restraint
5th digit: Series:
* P = Camaro Sport Coupe
* S = Camaro Berlinetta
6th & 7th digit: Body Style:
* 87 = Sport Coupe
8th digit: Engine:
* See specific year (camaro info) for breakdown.
9th digit: Check digit:
* used to verify that the VIN was recorded correctly.
10th digit: Year:
* B = 1981
11th digit: Letter indicating assembly plant:
* L = Van Nuys, California
* N = Norwood, Ohio
12th through 17th digits:
* Sequential production number starting with 100001
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Other VIN Information
The following contains information which gives an example of what the various positions in a 1979 VIN stand for.
VIN EXAMPLE (1979/others similar): 1N19G9J100001
1 = Division Identification, Chevrolet Motor Division
N = Vehicle Series (Caprice)
19 = Model (4 door sedan)
G = Engine (305 CID V8 w/2 barrel carb)
9 = Year (1979)
J = Assembly plant (Janesville)
Position 1: Division Identification
Always 1 for Chevrolet
(2 = Pontiac, 3 = Oldsmobile, 4 = Buick, 5 = GM Overseas, 6 = Cadillac, 7 = GM of Canada
9 = GM Overseas, C = Chevy Truck, T = GMC Truck)
Position 2: Vehicle Series
L = Impala N = Caprice Classic Q = Camaro
S = Camaro Berlinetta X = Nova Y = Nova Custom
Z = Monte Carlo T = Malibu W = Malibu Classic & El Camino
Positions 3 & 4: Model
17 2 Dr. Hatchback Coupe, 6-passenger
19 4 Dr. Sedan, 6-passenger
27 2 Dr. Coupe or Notchback Coupe, 4 or 6-passenger
35 4 Dr. Station Wagon
37 2 Dr. Sport Coupe, 6-passenger
47 2 Dr. Coupe, 6-passenger
69 4 Dr. Sedan, 6-passenger
80 El Camino
87 2 Dr. Sport Coupe, 4-passenger Camaro
Position 7: Assembly Plant
In 1972, plant codes changed to reflect the VIN code. For example, âNORâ = Norwood before 1972. In 1972 and on, it was simply âNâ.
A = Lakewood L = Van Nuys W = Willow Run 4 = Scarborough
B = Baltimore M = Lansing X = Fairfax 5 = Bowling Green
C = Lansing (B) N = Norwood Y=Wilmington 5 = London
D = Doraville P = Pontiac (Pontiac) Z = Fremont 6 = Oklahoma City
E = Linden Q = Detriot 1 = Wentzville 7 = Lordstown
F = Flint (Chevy) R = Arlington 1 = Oshawa #2 8 = Shreveport
G = Framingham S = St. Louis 2 = Moraine (T&B) 8 = Fujisawa (Japan) Luv
H = Flint (Buick) S = Ramos Arizpe 2 = St. Therese 9 = Detroit (Cadillac)
J = Janes
First, a basic overview of what a VIN is, and what youâre looking at. A VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) is a group of letters and numbers that create a specific VIN for each car. This is used to determine everything from what Make, Model, Body type, and even more.
Below is a great picture to show you what you are looking at with a VIN:
An example of a VIN from a 2001 Camaro: 2G1FP22G912108833
Looking at the numbers from the bolded VIN above, you can gather this information:
1st â Country 2 Canada
2nd â Manufacturer G General Motors
3rd â Make 1 Chevrolet
4th â Carline Code F F-Body
5th â Series P Camaro (All Models)
6th â Body Type 2 2-Door Hatchback Coupe
7th â Restraint Syst. 2 Manual seatbelts (Driver & Passenger Inflatable)
8th â Engine G LS1 5.7-Liter V8 346-cid Engine
9th â Check Digit 9 Your VINâs Check Digit: 9 Computed Check Digit: 9
10th â Year 1 2001
11th â Factory 2 Ste. Therese, Quebec, Canada
12th â 17th Seq. Prod # 108833 108833
Below are what different Numbers and Letters mean in various years
_________________________________
1967 to 1971:
1st Digit: Manufacturer:
* 1 = Chevrolet
2nd Digit: Series:
* 2 = Camaro
3rd Digit: Engine:
* 3 = 6 cylinder
* 4 = V8
* 5 = 6 cylinder
* 6 = V8
4th and 5th Digits: Body Type:
* 37 = Sport Coupe
* 67 = Convertible
* 87 = Sport Coupe
6th Digit: Model Year:
* 7 = 1967
* 8 = 1968
* 9 = 1969
* 0 = 1970
* 1 = 1971
7th Digit: Assembly Plant:
* L = Van Nuys, California
* N = Norwood, Ohio
8th through 12th Digits: Sequential Production Number:
* starting-100001
_________________________________
1972 to 1980:
1st digit: GM line number
* Chevrolet = 1.
2nd digit: Series number:
* Q = Sport Coupe
* S = Type LT (1973 â 78)
* S = Berlinetta (1979 â 80)
3rd and 4th digits: Body type:
* 87 = Sport Coupe.
5th digit: Engine Code:
* See specific year (Camaro info) for breakdown.
6th digit: Last digit of model year:
* 3 = 1973
* 4 = 1974 and so on
7th digit: Letter indicating assembly plant
* L = Van Nuys, California
* N = Norwood, Ohio
8th through 13th digits:
* Sequential production number starting with 100001.
_________________________________
1981 to 1984:
1st digit: Country of origin
* 1 = USA
* 2 = Canada.
2nd digit:
* G = General Motors
3rd digit: Division:
* 1 = Chevrolet.
4th digit: Restraint system:
* A = Non-passive
* B = Automatic belts
* C = Inflatable restraint
5th digit: Series:
* P = Camaro Sport Coupe
* S = Camaro Berlinetta
6th & 7th digit: Body Style:
* 87 = Sport Coupe
8th digit: Engine:
* See specific year (camaro info) for breakdown.
9th digit: Check digit:
* used to verify that the VIN was recorded correctly.
10th digit: Year:
* B = 1981
11th digit: Letter indicating assembly plant:
* L = Van Nuys, California
* N = Norwood, Ohio
12th through 17th digits:
* Sequential production number starting with 100001
_________________________________
Other VIN Information
The following contains information which gives an example of what the various positions in a 1979 VIN stand for.
VIN EXAMPLE (1979/others similar): 1N19G9J100001
1 = Division Identification, Chevrolet Motor Division
N = Vehicle Series (Caprice)
19 = Model (4 door sedan)
G = Engine (305 CID V8 w/2 barrel carb)
9 = Year (1979)
J = Assembly plant (Janesville)
Position 1: Division Identification
Always 1 for Chevrolet
(2 = Pontiac, 3 = Oldsmobile, 4 = Buick, 5 = GM Overseas, 6 = Cadillac, 7 = GM of Canada
9 = GM Overseas, C = Chevy Truck, T = GMC Truck)
Position 2: Vehicle Series
L = Impala N = Caprice Classic Q = Camaro
S = Camaro Berlinetta X = Nova Y = Nova Custom
Z = Monte Carlo T = Malibu W = Malibu Classic & El Camino
Positions 3 & 4: Model
17 2 Dr. Hatchback Coupe, 6-passenger
19 4 Dr. Sedan, 6-passenger
27 2 Dr. Coupe or Notchback Coupe, 4 or 6-passenger
35 4 Dr. Station Wagon
37 2 Dr. Sport Coupe, 6-passenger
47 2 Dr. Coupe, 6-passenger
69 4 Dr. Sedan, 6-passenger
80 El Camino
87 2 Dr. Sport Coupe, 4-passenger Camaro
Position 7: Assembly Plant
In 1972, plant codes changed to reflect the VIN code. For example, âNORâ = Norwood before 1972. In 1972 and on, it was simply âNâ.
A = Lakewood L = Van Nuys W = Willow Run 4 = Scarborough
B = Baltimore M = Lansing X = Fairfax 5 = Bowling Green
C = Lansing (B) N = Norwood Y=Wilmington 5 = London
D = Doraville P = Pontiac (Pontiac) Z = Fremont 6 = Oklahoma City
E = Linden Q = Detriot 1 = Wentzville 7 = Lordstown
F = Flint (Chevy) R = Arlington 1 = Oshawa #2 8 = Shreveport
G = Framingham S = St. Louis 2 = Moraine (T&B) 8 = Fujisawa (Japan) Luv
H = Flint (Buick) S = Ramos Arizpe 2 = St. Therese 9 = Detroit (Cadillac)
J = Janes
Looking to buy a '71 Camaro RS.....?
thecheeses
But how can I be sure it's a real split-bumper car, & not a clone?
Please don't bring up the round parking lights & the longer, smaller grille opening. I know all that.
Answer
Ready?
First off, the VIN won't help you.
Next, look for the Fisher Body tag under the hood. It should be on the firewall beside the master cylinder.
There are 3 rows of codes on it, 4 per row.
Row 1- 1st box: build year. 1971.
2nd box: body. 12387 is a 6 cyl. Camaro, 12487 is an 8.
3rd box: Plant. L or B is Van Nuys, N is Norwood
4th box: Sequence. This should match the last 6 of your VIN.
Row 2- 1st box: Interior codes/colors. Ex: 775 is Black custom vinyl.
Box 2 & 3 should be empty
Box 4: Body/Stripe/Vinyl top color. First 2 digits are main color, 2nd 2 are stripe color, letter is top color. Ex: 24.11A
24 is Ascot Blue, 11 is White, A is white. So a Bright metallic blue car with white stripes & vinyl top.
Row 3, 1st box: Build date, Month & week. Ex: 02C would be the 3rd week of February, 1971.
2nd box: Empty
3rd box: Trim codes. The one you've been waiting for.
Empty means a Sport Coupe. Z-22 is an RS. Z-27 is an SS. Z-28 is self-explanatory.
All Rally Sports were split-bumper cars, but NOT all Z28's were. Super Sports were NOT, neither were Sport Coupes.
4th box: Special Equipment. Either empty, "L48 or "LS3". LS3 was the 396SS package, L48 the 350HP 350.
If the car you're looking at is an RS, it's real. If it's a Sport coupe or an SS, it's cloned. If it's a Z, take it as real.
If you can get away with it, pull out the backseat backrest.. The build ticket is in the springs. If it's the original seat, all of this car's build data will be there.
Hope I was helpful.
Ready?
First off, the VIN won't help you.
Next, look for the Fisher Body tag under the hood. It should be on the firewall beside the master cylinder.
There are 3 rows of codes on it, 4 per row.
Row 1- 1st box: build year. 1971.
2nd box: body. 12387 is a 6 cyl. Camaro, 12487 is an 8.
3rd box: Plant. L or B is Van Nuys, N is Norwood
4th box: Sequence. This should match the last 6 of your VIN.
Row 2- 1st box: Interior codes/colors. Ex: 775 is Black custom vinyl.
Box 2 & 3 should be empty
Box 4: Body/Stripe/Vinyl top color. First 2 digits are main color, 2nd 2 are stripe color, letter is top color. Ex: 24.11A
24 is Ascot Blue, 11 is White, A is white. So a Bright metallic blue car with white stripes & vinyl top.
Row 3, 1st box: Build date, Month & week. Ex: 02C would be the 3rd week of February, 1971.
2nd box: Empty
3rd box: Trim codes. The one you've been waiting for.
Empty means a Sport Coupe. Z-22 is an RS. Z-27 is an SS. Z-28 is self-explanatory.
All Rally Sports were split-bumper cars, but NOT all Z28's were. Super Sports were NOT, neither were Sport Coupes.
4th box: Special Equipment. Either empty, "L48 or "LS3". LS3 was the 396SS package, L48 the 350HP 350.
If the car you're looking at is an RS, it's real. If it's a Sport coupe or an SS, it's cloned. If it's a Z, take it as real.
If you can get away with it, pull out the backseat backrest.. The build ticket is in the springs. If it's the original seat, all of this car's build data will be there.
Hope I was helpful.
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